Victoria’s EUTHANASIA Bill – Its just a matter of time! “LEGAL MURDER”

Voluntary Assisted Dying Bill
aka: (Euthanasia Bill) (Death Bill) (Legal Murder Bill)


The criminal law prohibits physician-assisted suicide

A doctor who complies with a patient’s request in this way is exposed to criminal liability. The relevant offence is assisting suicide.

Although the criminal law in Australia no longer proscribes suicide or attempted suicide, assisting suicide is a crime in all Australian jurisdictions. In New South Wales, the Australian Capital Territory, Victoria and South Australia, it is an offence for a person to ‘incite, counsel, aid or abet’ another person to commit suicide or attempt to commit suicide.(48) In Queensland, Western Australia and the Northern Territory, it is an offence to ‘procure’ or ‘counsel’ another person to kill himself or ‘aid’ another in killing himself.(49) In Tasmania, it is an offence to ‘instigate or aid another to kill himself’.(50) The penalties for assisted suicide vary between jurisdictions. see

The law is not enforced against doctors

Prosecutions for assisting suicide are rare in Australia. The few cases that have come before the courts have tended to involve provision of assistance by family members or friends of the victim, where the accused has been motivated by compassionate motives. These cases are sometimes referred to as involving ‘mercy-assisted suicide’.(51) The law clearly states that a person who has assisted another’s suicide cannot escape liability by virtue of compassionate motive or other extenuating circumstances. The Australian criminal justice system nonetheless treats an accused person who was motivated by compassion with relative leniency, even where that person has clearly violated the criminal law. In particular, Australian judges have imposed very lenient sentences on people convicted of assisting suicide in this context.(52)

There have been no prosecutions of doctors in Australia for assisting the suicide of their patients. Should such a case arise, however, it is likely that a court would display the same leniency it has shown in other ‘mercy-assisted suicide’ cases if the doctor’s motive was compassionate. see

The criminal law prohibits active voluntary euthanasia

A doctor who complies with a patient’s request in this way is exposed to criminal liability. The relevant offence is murder. In all Australian jurisdictions, murder is committed if a person dies as the result of an act deliberately undertaken to bring about that death.(53)

Life imprisonment remains the mandatory sentence for a murder conviction in the Northern Territory, Queensland, South Australia, Tasmania and Western Australia. The sentence for murder is now discretionary, with a maximum sentence of life imprisonment, in New South Wales, the Australian Capital Territory and Victoria.(54) see

Physician-assisted suicide is now permitted in the Northern Territory

Physician-assisted suicide, however, is legal in some circumstances in the Northern Territory due to the enactment of the Rights of the Terminally Ill Act 1995 (NT). The Northern Territory legislation is discussed further below.

Situation Three – The patient wants to die and asks the doctor for assistance; the doctor assists by performing the lethal act (eg by administering a lethal injection).

Situation Three is sometimes described as ‘physician-aid-in-dying’. It is more frequently described as ‘active voluntary euthanasia’, however, and shall be referred to as such in this paper. see

THE GANG OF SEVEN The Ministerial Advisory Panel:1) appointed to develop a safe and compassionate framework for voluntary assisted dying in Victoria. Chaired by Professor Brian Owler, the Panel is made up of clinical, legal, consumer, health administrator and palliative care experts.

Professor Brian K Owler
Professor Margaret O’Connor AM
Ms Mary Draper
Mr Julian Gardner AM
Dr Roger Hunt
Emeritus Professor Ian Maddocks AM
Ms Tricia Malowney


The Commonwealth Parliament has the power to override the Rights of the Terminally Ill Act 1995 (NT)

Regardless of the final outcome of the challenge to the validity of the Northern Territory legislation, it is possible that the Commonwealth Parliament will enact its own legislation to override the Rights of the Terminally Ill Act 1995 (NT).

The Commonwealth Parliament has the power to do so under section 122 of the Australian Constitution. That power is a plenary power which enables the Commonwealth Parliament to pass legislation to override any Northern Territory law.

In Wake and Gondarra v. Northern Territory and Asche, Martin CJ and Mildren J referred to this power and made the following comment:

To the extent that there is any force in the argument that the Territory Parliament or Territory Ministers are somehow not to be trusted with the full extent of legislative or executive power which the wording of section 6 or reg 4 would plainly permit, either because of the novelty of the proposed new law or because they, as in this case, provide a limited power to do that which no other legislature in the world has so far found fit to permit, or because it abrogates some fundamental human right, the existence of the powers retained by the Commonwealth suggest that these are matters which are to be determined by political and not legal resolution. The same may be said in respect of laws which adversely affect Australia’s image as a nation or the interests of Australians resident in the States which the Commonwealth feels an obligation to protect.(123)

Mr Kevin Andrews MP (Liberal Party, Victoria) has indicated his intention to introduce a Private Member’s Bill into the Commonwealth Parliament to override the Northern Territory legislation. He has also indicated that such a Bill might have retrospective effect. see



the state was “one final step away” from legalising assisted dying


Hansard: 3 NOV 2017 see pages 1-21 & 30-47 for The Voluntary Assisted Dying Bill


Click for Victorian Legislative Council 2 November 2017 see pages 7-25, 35-75 & 108-134 for  The Voluntary Assisted Dying Bill

Click for Second Reading Speech in the Victorian Legislative Council 31 October 2017 by Gavin Jennings MP

Click for Statement of Compatability in the Victorian Legislative Council 31 October 2017 by Ms Jenny Mikakos, MP

Click for Victorian Legislative Assembly 19 October 2017 see pages 3293-3300 & 3309-3468 for  The Voluntary Assisted Dying Bill

Click for Victorian Legislative Assembly 18 October 2017 see pages 3164-3166, 3178-3188 & 3209-3267 for  The Voluntary Assisted Dying Bill

Click for Victorian Legislative Assembly 17 October 2017 see pages 3050-3136 for  The Voluntary Assisted Dying Bill

Click for Hansard of Jill Hennessy’s Speech on 21 September 2017 Hansard Victorian Assembly VAD Hennessy 21 September 2017

Hansard for Victorian Legislative Council Committee Stage from 14 to 22 November 2017 will be added when available.

……..“DEATH BILL” FORMER Prime Minister Tony Abbott 

FORMER Prime Minister Tony Abbott has expressed his disappointment at a controversial “death Bill2) that has passed in Victoria.

FORMER Prime Minister Tony Abbott has expressed his “shock” over the news that the state of Victoria is set to become the first Australian state to legalise voluntary euthanasia after a historic vote in parliament.

The law will make it legal for doctors to assist in the death of the terminally ill.

In what is no doubt a controversial decision, the bill passed Victoria’s Upper House with 22 votes to 18.

But speaking to 2GB’s Ben Fordham this afternoon, Mr Abbott, who was speaking by his father’s bedside in a NSW hospital after a “serious stroke” on Monday morning, said “people who are gravely ill should have their pain relieved, not their lives ended”.

“I very much regret the fact the same-sex marriage debate has very much distracted us from this bid to legalise a doctor assisted dying.

“People’s lives have to be respected and this idea that we should end the lives of people who have failed our test of usefulness or have failed our test of what constitutes a decent quality of life is absolutely dead wrong and I hope that a future Victorian Parliament might reverse this.

“Doctors should be healers, they should never be required to be killers.” 3)Date-stamped: 2017, November, 2017.  – Time-stamped: 8:21 am – By: Matt Young  – Article Title: Victoria’s assisted dying Bill passes key upper house vote  – Article Link:

Australia’s Slippery Slope:

a: Voluntary Assisted Dying

b: Involuntary Assisted Dying

c: Mandated Statutory Dying

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3. Date-stamped: 2017, November, 2017.  – Time-stamped: 8:21 am – By: Matt Young  – Article Title: Victoria’s assisted dying Bill passes key upper house vote  – Article Link:

SSM – Its just a matter of time! gender-neutral words for God



The Church of Sweden is urging its clergy to use gender-neutral language when referring to the supreme deity, refraining from using terms like ‘Lord’ and ‘He’ in favour of the less specific ‘God.’

The move is one of several taken by the national Evangelical Lutheran church in updating a 31-year-old handbook setting out how services should be conducted in terms of language, liturgy, hymns and other aspects.

The decision was taken on Thursday at the end of an eight-day meeting of the church’s 251-member decision-making body, and takes effect on May 20 on the Christian holiday of Pentecost.

A former state church, headquartered in Uppsala, some 60 kilometres north of the capital, the church has 6.1 million baptised members in a country of 10 million. It is headed by a woman, Archbishop Antje Jackelen.

Jackelen told Sweden’s TT news agency a more inclusive language had already been discussed at the 1986 conference.

‘Theologically, for instance, we know that God is beyond our gender determinations, God is not human,’ Jackelen was quoted as saying by TT.

The change was met with criticism, however. Christer Pahlmblad, an associate theology professor with Sweden’s Lund University, told Denmark’s Kristeligt Dagblad that the move was ‘undermining the doctrine of the Trinity and the community with the other Christian churches.’

Date-stamped: 2017, November, 24. | Time-stamped: 9:25 PM | By: AP  | Article Title: Swedish want gender-neutral words for God  | Article Link:

God is not mocked!

The Apostle Paul wrote  Alexander the coppersmith did me great harmthe Lord will repay him according to his deeds2 Timothy 4:14 ESV,  many would say that was wrong.

The question to ask is:

• Can we see this precept within the word of God? “YES”

• Was the Apostle praying according to Gods way of doing things? “YES”

• Does God Reward Every Man According to His Works? “YES”

The bible is clear only a Fool says there is no God; and any persons who claims to be a Christian and conducts their lives outside of Gods boundaries and thinks the Grace Card will give them a get out of judgement free pass are even greater fools! Any attempt to play ‘God’ as a Fool is an act of insanity! Which brings a pay day that has eternal consequences. Clearly we can not live a habitual life of disobedience to Gods Word and ways! ie So many “alleged christian” live life like the devil and then think they’ll walk into heavens rewards of Well done Good and faithful Servant, because of Gods Grace. 

We have large group of people naming themselves as ‘Christians’, yet have laid aside Biblical Precepts of conduct in ethics and morals which have been clearly addressed in Gods Word, holding the opinion that God didn’t really mean that, or its all OK now because of the age of grace we live in. 


Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.
Galatians 6:7 (ESV)


The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds; there is none who does goodPsalm 14:1 ESV


Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert. Psalm 28:4 KJV

We have a sea of “believer” that think God doesn’t mind? or doesn’t care about it! Who are living their lives not in subjection to the word of God but in subjection to their own opinions. 

Do we really believe we are smarter than God and He’s got it wrong regarding ethics and moral conduct; do we really believe Gods’ got His “Rights” and “Wrongs” WRONG! Well that’s what we are saying when we live outside of Gods’ Boundaries and at the same time claim to be Gods children destined to Heavens Promises.

Since the time when RIGHT and WRONG was established on this earth by God He has never changed or modified or corrected those standards. No generation of humanity has persuaded God that he had got it wrong! That His wrongs were WRONG! Neither will this Generation, the consequences of a Nations sins and a individuals sins will be accounted for. Roman 6 shows the path of wilful sin which is not addresses, it will take the person to the place of becoming a reprobate (a person rejected by God and beyond hope of salvation.)

“Yes we live in the Age of Grace” However Grace doesn’t provide a gateway to allow the believer to habitually conduct their ethics and morality outside of Gods Word, God is not mocked “The Lord will repay according Deeds”  I say that because the Word of God has a sea of scripture that says this!

1 Corinthians 3, 1 Peter 1, 2 Corinthians 5, 2 Corinthians 11, Matthew 16, Revelation 2, Revelation 18, Revelation 20, Revelation 22, Romans 2, 1 Kings 3, 1 Kings 8, 2 Chronicles 6, 2 Samuel 3, 2 Samuel 22, Ezekiel 7, Ezekiel 18, Ezekiel 24, Ezekiel 35, Ezekiel 36, Ezekiel 39, Hosea 12, Isaiah 59, Jeremiah 17, Jeremiah 21, Jeremiah 25, Jeremiah 32, Jeremiah 50, Job 34, Lamentations 3, Leviticus 26, Nehemiah 6, Proverbs 24, Psalm 7, Psalm 18, Psalm 28, Psalm 28, Psalm 62 & Zechariah 1 “SEE BELOW”


Proverbs 3:5-6


Believe God anything contrary is a lie!


Romans 2:6-11 ESV

He will render to each one according to his worksto those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal lifebut for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. 11 For God shows no partiality.

Leviticus 26:21-26 ESV

21 Then if you walk contrary to me and will not listen to me, I will continue striking you, sevenfold for your sins. 22 And I will let loose the wild beasts against you, which shall bereave you of your children and destroy your livestock and make you few in number, so that your roads shall be deserted.

23 And if by this discipline you are not turned to me but walk contrary to me, 24 then I also will walk contrary to you, and I myself will strike you sevenfold for your sins. 25 And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall execute vengeance for the covenant. And if you gather within your cities, I will send pestilence among you, and you shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy. 26 When I break your supply of bread, ten women shall bake your bread in a single oven and shall dole out your bread again by weight, and you shall eat and not be satisfied.

2 Samuel 3:38-39 ESV

38 And the king said to his servants, “Do you not know that a prince and a great man has fallen this day in Israel? 39 And I was gentle today, though anointed king. These men, the sons of Zeruiah, are more severe than I. The Lord repay the evildoer according to his wickedness!

2 Samuel 22:21-25 ESV

21 The Lord dealt with me according to my righteousness;
according to the cleanness of my hands he rewarded me.
22 For I have kept the ways of the Lord
and have not wickedly departed from my God.
23 For all his rules were before me,
and from his statutes I did not turn aside.
24 I was blameless before him,
and I kept myself from guilt.
25 And the Lord has rewarded me according to my righteousness,
according to my cleanness in his sight.

1 Kings 3:6 ESV

And Solomon said,You have shown great and steadfast love to your servant David my father, because he walked before you in faithfulness, in righteousness, and in uprightness of heart toward you. And you have kept for him this great and steadfast love and have given him a son to sit on his throne this day.

1 Kings 8:31-32 ESV

31 If a man sins against his neighbour and is made to take an oath and comes and swears his oath before your altar in this house, 32 then hear in heaven and act and judge your servants, condemning the guilty by bringing his conduct on his own head, and vindicating the righteous by rewarding him according to his righteousness.

1 Kings 8:37-40 ESV

37 If there is famine in the land, if there is pestilence or blight or mildew or locust or caterpillar, if their enemy besieges them in the land at their gates, whatever plague, whatever sickness there is, 38 whatever prayer, whatever plea is made by any man or by all your people Israel, each knowing the affliction of his own heart and stretching out his hands toward this house, 39 then hear in heaven your dwelling place and forgive and act and render to each whose heart you know, according to all his ways (for you, you only, know the hearts of all the children of mankind),40 that they may fear you all the days that they live in the land that you gave to our fathers.

2 Chronicles 6:22-23, 28-31 ESV

22 If a man sins against his neighbour and is made to take an oath and comes and swears his oath before your altar in this house, 23 then hear from heaven and act and judge your servants, repaying the guilty by bringing his conduct on his own head, and vindicating the righteous by rewarding him according to his righteousness.

28 If there is famine in the land, if there is pestilence or blight or mildew or locust or caterpillar, if their enemies besiege them in the land at their gates, whatever plague, whatever sickness there is, 29 whatever prayer, whatever plea is made by any man or by all your people Israel, each knowing his own affliction and his own sorrow and stretching out his hands toward this house, 30 then hear from heaven your dwelling place and forgive and render to each whose heart you know, according to all his waysfor you, you only, know the hearts of the children of mankind, 31 that they may fear you and walk in your ways all the days that they live in the land that you gave to our fathers.

Nehemiah 6:14 ESV

14 Remember Tobiah and Sanballat, O my God, according to these things that they did, and also the prophetess Noadiah and the rest of the prophets who wanted to make me afraid.

Job 34:10-12 ESV

10 Therefore, hear me, you men of understanding:
far be it from God that he should do wickedness,
and from the Almighty that he should do wrong.
11 For according to the work of a man he will repay him,
and according to his ways he will make it befall him.
12 Of a truth, God will not do wickedly,
and the Almighty will not pervert justice.

Psalm 7:8-10 ESV

The Lord judges the peoples;
judge me, O Lord, according to my righteousness
and according to the integrity that is in me.
Oh, let the evil of the wicked come to an end,
and may you establish the righteous—
you who test the minds and hearts, 
O righteous God!
10 My shield is with God,
who saves the upright in heart.

Psalm 18:20-24 ESV

20 The Lord dealt with me according to my righteousness;
according to the cleanness of my hands he rewarded me.
21 For I have kept the ways of the Lord,
and have not wickedly departed from my God.
22 For all his rules were before me,
and his statutes I did not put away from me.
23 I was blameless before him,
and I kept myself from my guilt.
24 So the Lord has rewarded me according to my righteousness,
according to the cleanness of my hands in his sight.

Psalm 28:3-5 ESV

Do not drag me off with the wicked,
with the workers of evil,
who speak peace with their neighbour
while evil is in their hearts.
Give to them according to their work
and according to the evil of their deeds;
give to them according to the work of their hands;
render them their due reward.
Because they do not regard the works of the Lord
or the work of his hands,
he will tear them down and build them up no more.

Psalm 62:11-12 ESV

11 Once God has spoken;
twice have I heard this:
that power belongs to God,
12     and that to you, O Lord, belongs steadfast love.
For you will render to a man
according to his work.

Proverbs 24:11-12 ESV

11 Rescue those who are being taken away to death;
hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter.
12 If you say,Behold, we did not know this,”
does not he who weighs the heart perceive it?
Does not he who keeps watch over your soul know it,
and will he not repay man according to his work?

Isaiah 59:15-18 ESV

15 Truth is lacking,
and he who departs from evil makes himself a prey.

The Lord saw it, and it displeased him 
that there was no justice.
16 He saw that there was no man,
and wondered that there was no one to intercede;
then his own arm brought him salvation,
and his righteousness upheld him.
17 He put on righteousness as a breastplate,
and a helmet of salvation on his head;
he put on garments of vengeance for clothing,
and wrapped himself in zeal as a cloak.
18 According to their deeds, so will he repay,
wrath to his adversaries, repayment to his enemies;
to the coast-lands he will render repayment.

Jeremiah 17:10 ESV

10 I the Lord search the heart
and test the mind, 
to give every man according to his ways,
according to the fruit of his deeds.

Jeremiah 21:12-14 ESV

12 O house of David! Thus says the Lord:

“‘Execute justice in the morning,
and deliver from the hand of the oppressor
him who has been robbed,
lest my wrath go forth like fire,
and burn with none to quench it,
because of your evil deeds.’

13 Behold, I am against you, O inhabitant of the valley,
O rock of the plain,
declares the Lord;
you who say, ‘Who shall come down against us,
or who shall enter our habitations?’
14 I will punish you according to the fruit of your deeds,
declares the Lord;
I will kindle a fire in her forest,
and it shall devour all that is around her.

Jeremiah 25:12-14 ESV

12 Then after seventy years are completed, I will punish the king of Babylon and that nation, the land of the Chaldeans, for their iniquity, declares the Lord, making the land an everlasting waste. 13 I will bring upon that land all the words that I have uttered against it, everything written in this book, which Jeremiah prophesied against all the nations.14 For many nations and great kings shall make slaves even of them, and I will recompense them according to their deeds and the work of their hands.

Jeremiah 32:17-24 ESV

17 Ah, Lord God! It is you who have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and by your outstretched arm! Nothing is too hard for you18 You show steadfast love to thousands, but you repay the guilt of fathers to their children after them, O great and mighty God, whose name is the Lord of hosts, 19 great in counsel and mighty in deed, whose eyes are open to all the ways of the children of man, rewarding each one according to his ways and according to the fruit of his deeds20 You have shown signs and wonders in the land of Egypt, and to this day in Israel and among all mankind, and have made a name for yourself, as at this day. 21 You brought your people Israel out of the land of Egypt with signs and wonders, with a strong hand and outstretched arm, and with great terror. 22 And you gave them this land, which you swore to their fathers to give them, a land flowing with milk and honey. 23 And they entered and took possession of it. But they did not obey your voice or walk in your law. They did nothing of all you commanded them to do. Therefore you have made all this disaster come upon them. 24 Behold, the siege mounds have come up to the city to take it, and because of sword and famine and pestilence the city is given into the hands of the Chaldeans who are fighting against it. What you spoke has come to pass, and behold, you see it.

Jeremiah 50:28-30 ESV

28 “A voice! They flee and escape from the land of Babylon, to declare in Zion the vengeance of the Lord our God, vengeance for his temple.

29 Summon archers against Babylon, all those who bend the bow. Encamp around her; let no one escape. Repay her according to her deeds; do to her according to all that she has done. For she has proudly defied the Lord, the Holy One of Israel30 Therefore her young men shall fall in her squares, and all her soldiers shall be destroyed on that day, declares the Lord.

Lamentations 3:61-64 ESV

61 You have heard their taunts, O Lord,
all their plots against me.
62 The lips and thoughts of my assailants
are against me all the day long.
63 Behold their sitting and their rising;
I am the object of their taunts.

64 You will repay them, O Lord,
according to the work of their hands.

Ezekiel 7:2-9 ESV

And you, O son of man, thus says the Lord God to the land of Israel: An end! The end has come upon the four corners of the land. Now the end is upon you, and I will send my anger upon you; I will judge you according to your ways, and I will punish you for all your abominations.And my eye will not spare you, nor will I have pity, but I will punish you for your ways, while your abominations are in your midst. Then you will know that I am the Lord.

Thus says the Lord God: Disaster after disaster! Behold, it comes.An end has come; the end has come; it has awakened against you. Behold, it comesYour doom has come to you, O inhabitant of the land. The time has come; the day is near, a day of tumult, and not of joyful shouting on the mountains. Now I will soon pour out my wrath upon you, and spend my anger against you, and judge you according to your ways, and I will punish you for all your abominationsAnd my eye will not spare, nor will I have pity. I will punish you according to your ways, while your abominations are in your midst. Then you will know that I am the Lord, who strikes.

Ezekiel 7:27 ESV

27 The king mourns, the prince is wrapped in despair, and the hands of the people of the land are paralyzed by terror. According to their way I will do to them, and according to their judgements I will judge them, and they shall know that I am the Lord.”

Ezekiel 18:20-30 ESV

20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

21 But if a wicked person turns away from all his sins that he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is just and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 22 None of the transgressions that he has committed shall be remembered against him; for the righteousness that he has done he shall live. 23 Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord God, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live? 24 But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die.

25 Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Hear now, O house of Israel: Is my way not just? Is it not your ways that are not just? 26 When a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice, he shall die for it; for the injustice that he has done he shall die. 27 Again, when a wicked person turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he shall save his life.28 Because he considered and turned away from all the transgressions that he had committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 29 Yet the house of Israel says, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ O house of Israel, are my ways not just? Is it not your ways that are not just?

30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, declares the Lord God. Repent and turn from all your transgressions, lest iniquity be your ruin. 

Ezekiel 24:14 ESV

14 I am the Lord. I have spoken; it shall come to pass; I will do it. I will not go back; I will not spare; I will not relentaccording to your ways and your deeds you will be judged, declares the Lord God.

Ezekiel 35:9-11 ESV

I will make you a perpetual desolation, and your cities shall not be inhabited. Then you will know that I am the Lord.

10 Because you said, ‘These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will take possession of them’—although the Lord was there— 11 therefore, as I live, declares the Lord God, I will deal with you according to the anger and envy that you showed because of your hatred against them. And I will make myself known among them, when I judge you.

Ezekiel 36:17-19 ESV

17 Son of man, when the house of Israel lived in their own land, they defiled it by their ways and their deeds. Their ways before me were like the uncleanness of a woman in her menstrual impurity. 18 So I poured out my wrath upon them for the blood that they had shed in the land, for the idols with which they had defiled it. 19 I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed through the countries. In accordance with their ways and their deeds I judged them.

Ezekiel 39:23-24 ESV

23 And the nations shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity, because they dealt so treacherously with me that I hid my face from them and gave them into the hand of their adversaries, and they all fell by the sword. 24 I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their transgressions, and hid my face from them.

Hosea 12:2 ESV

The Lord has an indictment against Judah
and will punish Jacob according to his ways;
he will repay him according to his deeds.

Zechariah 1:4-6 ESV

Do not be like your fathers, to whom the former prophets cried out, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts, Return from your evil ways and from your evil deeds.’ But they did not hear or pay attention to me, declares the Lord. Your fathers, where are they? And the prophets, do they live forever? But my words and my statutes, which I commanded my servants the prophets, did they not overtake your fathers? So they repented and said, ‘As the Lord of hosts purposed to deal with us for our ways and deeds, so has he dealt with us.’

Matthew 16:24-27 ESV

24 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 25 For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul? 27 For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done.

Romans 2:1-11 ESV

Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed.

He will render to each one according to his worksto those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. 11 For God shows no partiality.

1 Corinthians 3:5-15 ESV 

What then is Apollos? What is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, as the Lord assigned to each. I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth. So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God who gives the growth. He who plants and he who waters are one, and each will receive his wages according to his labour. For we are God’s fellow workers. You are God’s field, God’s building.

10 According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and someone else is building upon it. Let each one take care how he builds upon it. 11 For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— 13 each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward15 If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

2 Corinthians 5:8-10 ESV 

Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord. So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 ESV 

13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

1 Peter 1:17-21 ESV 

17 And if you call on him as Father who judges impartially according to each one’s deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile, 18 knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. 20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you 21 who through him are believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.

Revelation 2:20-23 ESV 

20 But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols. 21 I gave her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her sexual immorality.22 Behold, I will throw her onto a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her works, 23 and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches will know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you according to your works.

Revelation 18:1-6 ESV 

After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was made bright with his glory. And he called out with a mighty voice,

Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great!
She has become a dwelling place for demons,
a haunt for every unclean spirit,
a haunt for every unclean bird,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable beast.
For all nations have drunk 
the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality,
and the kings of the earth have committed immorality with her,
and the merchants of the earth have grown rich from the power of her luxurious living.

Then I heard another voice from heaven saying,

Come out of her, my people,
lest you take part in her sins,
lest you share in her plagues;
for her sins are heaped high as heaven,
and God has remembered her iniquities.
Pay her back as she herself has paid back others,
and repay her double for her deeds;
mix a double portion for her in the cup she mixed.

Revelation 20:11-15 ESV

11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. 13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done.14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 22:11-12 ESV 

11 Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy, and the righteous still do right, and the holy still be holy.

12 Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done.


15 Nov What to think about today’s result (the yes vote)

by Lyle Shelton. Managing Director. The Australian Christian Lobby

Wed, Nov 15, 2017

It’s a disappointing day. And sometimes as Christians we find ourselves in a season of Lament.

Indeed, there is a whole book of the Bible called Lamentations. I just happened to be in Chapters three and four as part of my devotional readings this morning.

Despite his Lament, the author Jeremiah, was able to say in Lamentations 4:19 “But you, O Lord, reign forever; your throne endures to all generations.”

And then in verse 21 he says “Restore us to yourself, O Lord, that we may be restored! Renew our days….”

The Christian view of lament is never without hope. We recognise the reality of our situation but we move forward in hope because we serve the living God.

Despite today’s loss in the marriage plebiscite, there is hope and there is much that we can take out of this campaign.

Almost five million Australians voted No and at least one million of those were Yes voters who were persuaded by our campaign to vote No.

That is a heroic effort.

As Tasmanian Liberal Senator Eric Abetz pointed out in an email, this represents a higher vote than the Coalition’s current primary vote, a higher vote than Labor’s at the last federal election and more support than that of One Nation and the Greens combined.

Despite our loss today, you are not alone – you are part of a large movement of Australians who will always believe the truth about marriage.

The challenge is what to do now. In many ways, not much changes. We continue to build a movement of Christians seeking to bring Christ’s influence into politics.

In addition, the Coalition for Marriage team, of which ACL is a part, is determined that this is not the end but the beginning of a new phase.

Our amazing volunteers, having had a taste of grassroots political activism, want to keep going.

We were inspired this afternoon to be on a phone hook-up with key volunteers from around the country.

The clear message from them was ‘we want to keep going’.

At ACL and as part of a wider movement of coalition partners, we are determined to continue to provide you with a voice and mechanisms for taking political action.

We lost today because too many of us and our leaders have not been participating in public debates for far too long.

The other side have been relentlessly using the tools of democracy to advance their cause for more than ten years.

These tools are available to us if only we would use them (present company excepted).

It was always going to be difficult for us to catch up even in a three-month-long postal survey.

Going forward, things must change, we must speak more, not less.

That said, I want to personally thank you for journeying with ACL and the wider Coalition for Marriage Team.

Thanks to all who volunteered, door knocked, staffed call centres, held up banners and donated.

Without you there would have been no campaign.

Without you there would not be the resolve to keep going.

The shape of the nation we leave to our children and grandchildren depends on what we do together next.

God bless you, Lyle Shelton, Managing Director. The Australian Christian Lobby

15 Nov. The Battle for Marriage and Life Goes On (after the yes vote)

by Marriage Report + Euthanasia Challenge Warwick & David – Canberra Declaration

Good News Update 230 – 15 November 2017

Today we received the news of the marriage survey results. While disappointed by the result, we are determined to fight on regardless because our children deserve the best possible start in life. 

Senator Eric Abetz, a longtime friend of the Canberra Declaration team, said, ” I am heartened by the strong “no” vote in the face of such a relentless campaign from the “yes” campaign by the media, political elites and celebrities.

Please pass my thanks onto the Canberra Declaration team who have fought so well for marriage, life and family. To have gained 38.4% of the vote affirming marriage between a man and a woman is no small feat and needs to be acknowledged and respected. To put this in perspective, the “no” vote, in percentage terms, is more than:

• The Coalition’s current primary vote;

• Labour’s primary vote at the last election;

The voices of the millions of “no” voters deserve to be recognized in the framing of any legislation. A hubristic winner-takes-all approach in this matter would ignore the will of the 4.8 million Australians who have concerns about changing marriage.

Protecting fundamental freedoms – freedoms such as parental rights, freedom of speech, freedom of religion and conscientious objection will be vital to alleviate the valid concerns of millions of Australians… To defer, let alone defeat, consideration of these vital protections would miss an obvious opportunity to reduce the valid and very real concerns of many Australians.

I place on record my sincere thanks to the thousands of volunteer campaigners who advocated for marriage – especially when they knew from the beginning it would be a difficult campaign. They put principle before populism and made the case for marriage in a calm and respectful way.”

So we too thank you for being part of the Canberra Declaration community and for your amazing effort in prayer, giving and action in the battle for marriage. We will not give up but continue to stand for marriage, family, faith, freedom and life.

Speaking about life, we need to renew our stand against the insidious creep of euthanasia into both Victoria and NSW.  Watch this short video to see what the Canberra Declaration says about LIFE. 

Tomorrow, the Voluntarily Assisted Dying Bill 2017 will be debated, and most likely voted on, in the NSW State Parliament Upper House. In Victoria, debate in The Upper House around possible amendments to the bill before the Council will commence tomorrow until a vote on the second reading is taken.  

We again call for more prayer and action.

In 2014, Belgium became the first country to allow the euthanasia of children. This is an example of how the scope of euthanasia always ‘creeps’ to include more groups of vulnerable people. See this article Legal Euthanasia for Victoria? Beware by Paul Russell that appeared in The Spectator early this year.  

Euthanasia and assisted suicide can indeed be made to sound compassionate and dignified, but this is largely based on myths. Legalisation would remove a key safeguard that protects our nation’s most vulnerable citizens. It could make the elderly and the disabled feel they are a burden on society. Physicians would be under pressure to take part in state-sanctioned killing.  

Once again we ask all Australians to –

PRAY: We, supported by prayer groups across the country, are calling for two days of prayer and fasting Thursday 16 & Friday 17 November. Then we call for an ongoing rolling campaign of prayer and fasting whenever either the NSW or Victorian Euthanasia bills are debated in either of the state parliaments.  Please pray that Victorian and NSW Upper House MPs will be awakened to the insidious dangers of legalising euthanasia and assisted suicide. Please pray that both Voluntary Assisted Dying Bills will be soundly defeated.


ACT: Please phone NSW Upper House National Party MPs urging them to vote against the Bill.  We ask you to ring the seven National Party Upper House members listed below and politely remind them that the National Party has stood for life, family and conservative values since it formation in 1920. This is almost 100 years of solid representation of those who generally stand fast for the things all Australian families hold dear. Ask them not to turn their back on the families they have stood for all these many years.

RING the Parliament House switchboard in Sydney on 02 9230 2111 all day on Thursday 16 November and ask to speak to each of the seven National Party parliamentarians one at a time.

Hon. Ben Franklin

Hon. Bronnie Taylor

Hon. Duncan Gay

Hon. Niall Blair

Hon. Rick Colless

Hon. Sarah Mitchell

Hon. Trevor Khan

Thank you for your commitment to make a stand for life.

Yours for pushing back the culture of death,

Warwick Marsh & David Rowsome

PS  Here are two resources to help you pray and act.

How can I pray and act for what is happening in the Victorian Parliament this week? Click  for more details in Right to Life Victoria email.

How can I know how to pray for the underlying issues in the euthanasia challenge? – Download  A Prayer for Protecting the Vulnerable in Australia and use to pray concerning strongholds (print it as an A5 booklet).

to protect life, marriage, family and freedom

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Rev. Margaret Court may cut ties with Liberals over Yes vote

Same sex marriage:

Margaret Court at Victory Life Church.Picture: Megan Powell

Margaret Court says she is inclined to end her 50-year association with the Liberals over same-sex marriage, believing the major parties are presiding over the nation’s moral decline.

The tennis legend and pastor, who is married to former WA Liberal president Barry Court, urged politicians who were personally opposed to same-sex marriage to follow their conscience rather than the national survey result.

Mrs Court, who argues that marriage is set down in the Bible as being between a man and a woman, said there did not appear to be place in the major parties for people with similar views. 

“We look at what’s there now and they are not listening to the conservatives or what a lot of people would like,” she said. “They are not allowing you to speak. I don’t think I want to be with either party.” 


Mrs Court, whose Victory Life Church was opened by Liberal luminary Sir Charles Court in 1997, said she did not believe Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull or the media had properly examined the effects of same-sex marriage on education and society overseas.

The record grand slam holder, whose stance on marriage has led to calls for Margaret Court Arena in Melbourne to be renamed, said she would continue to speak her mind but “it should have nothing to do with my tennis career”.

Liberal State president Norman Moore said he hoped she would reconsider.

Date-stamped: 2017, November, 16. | Time-stamped: 4:30 am - By: Daniel Emerson   - Article Title: Same sex marriage: Court may cut ties with Liberals over Yes vote  - Article Link:

The Sin of Sodom 1 and 2nd time!


The story of how the citizens of Sodom welcomed the two strangers gives us the impression that inhabitants of the city were judged for their illicit sexual sins. Jude, the younger brother of Yeshua, explains that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because they “indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh” (Jude 1:7). But sexual depravity was not unique to Sodom and Gomorrah. It’s still with us today, and we don’t see fire and brimstone falling out of the sky onto today’s centers of immorality. Were there other sins and vices charged against those cities?
From ancient times there have been differing theories attempting to identify the real problem with Sodom and Gomorrah. The Talmud preserves a list of opinions that includes charges of sexual immorality, stinginess, blasphemy, avarice, selfishness, burglary, encroachment, extortion and injustice. Several of these sins may be derived from a passage in the book of Ezekiel, where the prophet metaphorically refers to the kingdom of Judah as Sodom:

Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me. Therefore I removed them when I saw it. 

FIRST TIME SODOM - Ezekiel 16:49-50
The prophet Ezekiel lists sexual immorality as the final straw after an accumulation of social injustices. Ezekiel charged the people with enjoying “abundant food and careless ease” while neglecting the poor—a charge that could be leveled against most of us living in the West.

Tradition says that the primary sin of the men of Sodom and Gomorrah was their inhospitable welcome of strangers. Jewish legend embellished the story with other tales of how badly the people of Sodom treated guests and strangers. The people of Sodom came to represent the opposite of hospitality. Not only were they sexually deviant, but even worse, they were inhospitable. Clement, the disciple of Peter, followed the Jewish explanation in that he also saw hospitality and inhospitality as the main issues in the Sodom and Gomorrah story:

 On account of his hospitality and godliness, Lot was saved out of Sodom when all the country round was punished by means of fire and brimstone, the Lord thus making it manifest that He does not forsake those that hope in Him, but gives up such as depart from Him to punishment and torture. (1 Clement 11:1)1)see 1 Clem 11:1 For his hospitality and godliness Lot was saved from Sodom, when all the country round about was judged by fire and brimstone; the Master having thus fore shown that He forsaketh not them which set their hope on Him, but appointeth unto punishment and torment them which swerve aside.

Yeshua may be alluding to the hospitality explanation for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah when He tells His disciples to seek hospitality in the homes and villages they enter. He tells them, “Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet. Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city” (Matthew 10:14-15).

SECOND TIME SODOM: Revelation 3:14-20 KJV 

vs.14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
vs.15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
vs.16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
vs.17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
vs.18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
vs.19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
vs.20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

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1. see 1 Clem 11:1 For his hospitality and godliness Lot was saved from Sodom, when all the country round about was judged by fire and brimstone; the Master having thus fore shown that He forsaketh not them which set their hope on Him, but appointeth unto punishment and torment them which swerve aside.

Christ Centred Community of Faith

READINGS: • Gen 1:26-28 ESV | • Ps 2:1-12 ESV | • Col 1:15-20 ESV | • John 12:20-33 ESV


At the next Church Council meeting there will be a annual review of Dale’s ministry; this is straightforward, but do we realise that Jesus regularly audits his churches? As Ezekiel was taken on a visionary tour of the temple and heard the Lord declare its destruction because of idolatry (Ezek 8:1 – 10:22 ESV), as Jesus walks in the midst of the 7 churches of the book of Revelation and makes promises and warnings concerning each congregation (Rev 1:13, 20 ESV; Rev 2:1 – 3:22 ESV), so Christ inspects his church in Bassendean and makes decisions of judgement or mercy.

If Jesus says repeatedly to his churches in Revelation, “I know your works”, and speaks rebuke, encouragement and instruction (Rev 2:2, 5, 6, 19, 22, 23, 26 ESV; Rev 3:1, 2, 8, 15 ESV) so it is for us (Am 3:7 ESV). To hear clearly what Jesus is saying to us we must never compare ourselves to the state of other congregations, the only point of reference for Christ’s assessment of our faithfulness is his own testimony. (Which is why each address to a church begins with a title of Christ (Rev 2:1, 12, 18, 23; Rev 3:1, 7, 14 ESV).

St Mark’s exists solely for the purpose of reflecting in the world who Jesus is, for, as Paul put it in our New Testament reading for today, “all things were created through him and for him” (Col 1:16 ESV). Some of the churches in Revelation were patient, enduring, doing good works, and were materially prosperous, but only those who were on fire with love for Christ and suffering for his name’s sake were unconditionally commended (Smyrna, Philadelphia).

God’s vision for our church is to be a totally Christ-centred community of faith where anyone, not yet believer, new believer or mature believer, serious about finding or growing in Jesus can be assured that this will happen if they come into our midst. Is this how the Spirit of Jesus sees our life together today (cf. Rev 2:7 ESV etc.)?


Jesus promised, ““where two or three are gathered together in my name, I am there in the midst of them.””” (Matt 18:20 ESV) and in Revelation we see the glorious Son of Man is walking amongst all his churches (Rev 1:13, 20 ESV). Christ’s last words on earth in Matthew are, ““behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.””” (28:20). The Bible’s testimony to the presence of Jesus amongst his people is unanimous but to what degree do we sense and see this is true. To what degree is Jesus presence manifest with us?

I was teaching somewhere once and described Jesus as the centre and circumference of everything, to which Donna replied (once a maths teacher always a maths teacher), Jesus must be the whole point. (To those who didn’t have good teachers like Donna, the centre and circumference of a perfect point is one and the same thing.)  

Does everything we say or do lead us to Jesus?

Is, for example, the conversation that happens before church starts Christian fellowship, or is it simply friendship…? Hint: the New Testament Greek word for “fellowship” means “sharing together in something”, Christian fellowship means sharing together in Christ.

I remember counselling a young man who stopped attending another church because after the service people really talked about trivia.

What are people talking about after the service in the hall? There is nothing at all wrong with talking about health or work or family or….as long as it is somehow related to Christ – for whom everything exists.

St Mark’s has a reputation for being a friendly place, which is a good thing. But, for example, the future of our Benefit Shop (op shop) will not be decided by the state of the building or the amount of money it raises or the number of people it helps materially but whether “the name that is above every name” is spoken (Phil 2:9 ESV). The same could be said for the Pastoral Team, or Mothers Union or the Men’s Breakfast or the Welcomers or any other activity of the Church.

Our sole purpose is to be a people through whom Christ’s saving work is revealed.

On the day of judgement Jesus will say to many people who were on church rosters, including ours, ““I never knew you”” (Matt 7:21-23 ESV). This is a frightening prospect.


Last week Dale was preaching about how the rediscovery of the message of the Bible was central to the Protestant Reformation. Somewhere during the sermon he mentioned how St Mark’s had plateaud and was in need of revival or at least renewal; he was being nice, we are in the rut of a slow spiritual and so numerical decline and only Jesus can get us out of it.

Speaking of the rediscovery of the power of the scriptures I must confess that I don’t have the same energy towards the Bible I had as a young Christian. I remember making my own hand written summary of the whole Bible, writing down probably hundreds of verses to help me memorise them, taping myself reading sections of scripture so I could play it back on my portable tape recorder as I was driving along. I need spiritual renewal in my experience of the Bible, I have become “dull of hearing” (Heb 5:11 ESV) and deeply need the Holy Spirit to refresh the inner ears of my heart (Ps 40:6 ESV).

If God moves everything forward by his Word and prayer (Acts 6:4 ESV), what would the Lord say to us about our prayer life. The weekly prayer meeting has long been regarded as the spiritual thermometer of the congregation (Spurgeon). When we started a Wednesday 5.30 p.m. prayer meeting for a new minister a decent cross-section of the congregation used to turn up.

Since the Lord answered our prayers and sent Dale and Joy we have scaled right down in terms of attendance, which is a sign that most people are pretty contented with things as they are. 5.30 on a Wednesday will not suit everybody, but from 3rd December we are calling, and I believe Christ is calling, his people to come to pray for the half hour before the new service starting time of 9.30 am. In every revival from Pentecost onwards God always gets his people praying in advance of the outpouring of his Spirit (Acts 1:14 ESV). Prayer holds the key to the kingdom of God coming in our midst with power.

The Lord has been incredibly kind to this fellowship. I read with interest Murray’s parish history of the 1980’s, and how Bassendean Shire Council’s giving of $12,000 to the parish in 1989 cleared the overdraft with the bank. This was surely a miracle, because the Lord wanted the church to survive until today. But we must not be confused into thinking the Holy Spirit is indefinitely committed to the survival of an Anglican presence here i; he is dedicated to the presence of the kingdom of Christ in Bassendean. If we do not make Jesus known to lost people the lampstand of St Marks as a church will be removed and the Lord will raise up another body to do his work in this area (Rev 2:5 ESV).

In praying about this sermon the Lord has been speaking to me about a number of possible ways in which St Mark’ might die. If the congregations continue to age and decline the diocese would progressively amalgamate the parishes of Guildford, Lockridge and Bassendean; the history and beauty of the Guildford building is likely to save it, the fact that the Anglican Church in Lockridge is the only Protestant church in that very needy suburb might save it, but the release of this whole block for development would prove too difficult for the Diocesan Trustees to resist. I see no glory for Christ in this scenario, so let’s move on to other possible deaths.

Another scenario is already being mentioned around the diocese and one with precedents in other places. The largest Anglican congregation in Canada lost all its buildings and left the Church in Canada over the blessing of same-sex relations when this became official church policy. Dale and my names, with around 50 other priests, were on a letter sent to the archbishop’s selection committee some months ago that touched on the issue of defending traditional marriage.

If we as a body experience renewal and revival our uncompromising following of Jesus could lead to parting ways with the diocese, which would mean losing this property.

This would be sorrowful but if it brought Christ glory in the church it would be worth it (Mark 14:34 ESV; Eph 3:21 ESV). To some degree these thoughts are speculative, but there is another form of painful death I am sure the Lord has on his mind today.

If a Muslim becomes a Christian in the Middle East, or a Hindu in India, or a Buddhist in Sri Lanka, these men and women must die to an old identity and be born again/raised into a new identity in Jesus and they will be persecuted (Rom 6:1-11 ESV).  Such sacrificial conversions possess a powerful testimony to Jesus; “And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death.” (Rev 12:11 ESV). The words of these believers bear weight their actions work power and when they gather together the presence of Christ is manifest in their midst. This is what we are lacking as a community.

It must be the case, it is the case, that the Spirit of Christ is telling us to fight for the future glory of Christ in this community of faith, even if this might mean the end of St Mark’s Anglican Church. Jesus is not an Anglican or a Baptist or a Catholic …years ago I prophesied in a Pentecostal meeting, “There will be no lasting revival in Australia until the cross goes through the heart of the Church.”

There can be no major spiritual shift in this nation without the sort of identity shattering transformation that the Spirit brought about at the Reformation.

To move from Catholic to Protestant wasn’t just to shift a set of theological ideas it was to move from one identity to another. If Christ is the true centre and circumference of the life of the Church then at the centre of this centre is the cross.


Like us, Jesus too once stood at a cross road concerning his deepest identity. John chapter 12 is John’s equivalent to the struggle of Jesus to obey the will of his Father in Gethsemane (Mark 14:36 ESV).

vs.23The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. vs.24 Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. … vs.27Now is my soul troubled. And what shall I say? ‘Father, save me from this hour’? But for this purpose I have come to this hour. vs.28 Father, glorify your name.” Then a voice came from heaven: “I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again.”” (John 12:23-24, 27-28 ESV)

This prayer possesses tremendous gravity. Jesus knows that unless he dies no-one can be saved. The death of the seed for the birth of many seeds is both a natural and spiritual law. With the approval of the archbishop Alison and I started work on a teaching programme for Lent a few years ago, especially for the benefit of parishes in the country where most are dying.

The series was based on a conviction that churches that strive in their natural strength to survive will perish, but those who surrender their situation to the Lord in readiness to die according to his will shall experience the presence of resurrection life (2 Cor 4:12 ESV; Phil 3:10 ESV). This is the mystery and power of the gospel. But something is missing.

If Jesus knew from the beginning that he must die on the cross (John 6:64 ESV), why did he find it so difficult to obey his Father to the end?  The transparent reason is found in the cry of dereliction, the centre of the centre of the cross; the cry, ““My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”” (Mark 15:34 ESV) is Jesus’ testimony that the most dreadful thing that could ever happen to him has taken place to atone for our sin, he has lost the glory of his identity as the Son of God, he no longer knows God as his Father.

If Jesus suffered so much for us what are we willing to suffer for him?

This reminds me of an encounter with Christ which in turn would spark the 18th century Evangelical revival in England and re-reform the Church there and across the world.

“I have one passion; it is Jesus, Jesus only.”


Count Nicholas Ludwig von Zinzendorf was born into one of the noblest families in Europe and as a young man visited an art museum in Dusseldorf.

There he encountered a painting titled Ecce Homo, “Behold the Man.” (John 19:5 ESV)

It portrayed the crucified Christ with the words underneath, “This have I done for you – Now what will you do for me?“, at that moment Zinzendorf felt that Jesus was speaking to him personally and he went through an identity transforming experience which led him away from the privileges of an aristocratic lifestyle to a radical and sacrificial Christ-centred identity.

His life motto became, “I have one passion; it is Jesus, Jesus only.”

All of Zinzendorf’s thinking, writing, spending, composing and praying became focused on missionary outreach and renewal so that the world would know Jesus.


Do we want to be a Christ-centred community that can lead men and women to Jesus as the centre of all things?

St Mark’s Church Bassendean is at the cross road.


Where is our identity located today? Is it exclusively in Christ, or Christ plus something else?

When Donna and I were in Toowoomba in September we witnessed the public announcement that one of the local Lutheran churches had left their denomination. I could sense the pain in the heart of God over this break in unity, but also that it was right, because the mission of the kingdom of God is bigger than any temporary form of the Church. All the great Reformers understood this, but today few grasp that this is the ongoing cost of following the crucified Christ.

Jesus is in our midst, but presently he is largely hiding (Isa 45:15 ESV; Isa 57:17 ESV).

What can we do to invite Jesus to manifest his presence to us? 

The one thing the Church has always done before a major move of God is to pray.

Ps. The Spirit of the Lord is already talking to us about prayer, prayer and more prayer. From the 3rd of December there will be prayer at 9 a.m., the Lord is calling Joy Appleby at St Marks to fasting and prayer and she wants others to join her, and I am sure that the Lord will quicken a vision of prayer to others…married couples, families… 

MESSAGE DELIVERED: 05th Nov, 2017 |  St Mark’s

Author: Dr. John Yates

MESSAGE PODCAST: 05th Nov. 2017 |   

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Intolerable Evil


Lots of Christians feel the world around them is becoming progressively more evil, but how would we feel about praying this prayer in Church? 

“We acknowledge and bewail our manifold sins and wickedness, Which we…most grievously have committed, By thought, word and deed, Against thy Divine Majesty, Provoking most justly thy wrath and indignation against us. We do earnestly repent, And are heartily sorry for these our misdoings; The remembrance of them is grievous unto us; The burden of them is intolerable.”

General Confession Book of Common Prayer 1662.

It is impossible to imagine the average Evangelical or Pentecostal congregation of today embracing this sort of language in prayer or in song. Have we outgrown a legalism and unhealthy fear of God suffered by previous generations because we have advanced in our grasp of the gospel? Or are we missing something of great value? Scanning the scriptures and the history of revivals will tell us.

The Burden of Sin in Bible and Revival

Every famous revival has begun with mourning over sin.

Here are a few scriptures which speak of the impact of exposed sin on a guilty conscience; vs.3For when I kept silent, my bones wasted away through my groaning all day long. vs.4 For day and night your hand was heavy upon me; my strength was dried up as by the heat of summer. vs.5 I acknowledged my sin to you, and I did not cover my iniquity; I said, I will confess my transgressions to the Lord,and you forgave the iniquity of my sin.” (Ps 32:3-5 ESV); vs.1 I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple…. vs.5 And I said: “Woe is me! For I am lost; for I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts!”” (Isaiah 6:1, 5 ESV); vs.1 the people of Israel assembled with fasting and in sackcloth, and with earth on their heads.” (Neh 9:1 ESV).

Then in the New Testament; convicted of unbelief, vs.8 Simon Peter…fell down at Jesus’ knees, saying,Depart from me, for I am a sinful man, O Lord.”” (Luke 5:8 ESV); and Jesus commends the attitude of  vs.13 the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’” (Luke 18:13 ESV). These manifestations are not histrionic but in proportion to the gravity of sin before God.

Every famous revival has begun with mourning over sin. Here is a snippet of a more recent move of God. On  March 19, 1995 at Wheaton College two students shared what God had recently done in their lives during recent times of revival at their college;  “immediately students began to come up to the microphone and confess sin.  The confession was deep. It was painful. God really did a work of breaking people.” The service had begun at 7:30 p.m. Sunday. It did not end until 6 a.m. Monday. The “beautiful thing” was that when a person would confess sin, 20 to 50 students would gather around the person and pray for him. Numbers in the meetings soon multiplied and the presence of God was overwhelming; It was glorious. … It was a foretaste of what heaven is going to be like.


The path is too hard to walk alone only a dedicated band will see revival

When men and women experience God as he really they are crushed under the burden of their sins and spontaneously turn to the Lord for forgiveness. In the Spirit they are experiencing the dead weight of sin in its opposition to the glory of God as Jesus experienced it on the cross (Rom 8:3 ESV; 2 Cor 5:21 ESV). The overwhelming anguish of Christ is not an inwardly looking psychological state of self centred despair, but a totally God-directed plea; “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”” (Mark 15:34 ESV).

So intense is Christ’s turning heavenward that the double “my God”, is found only here and in Psalm 22:1 ESV, in the whole Bible. The singular power of desperate repentance is a grace-given gift that breaks out upon men and women at sovereignly appointed times of significant spiritual shifts. How urgently we need such a shift today.

Who today will heed the Word that introduces Pentecostal power; “vs.12“return to me with all your heart, with fasting, with weeping, and with mourning; vs.13 and rend your hearts and not your garments…. vs.17 let the ministers of the Lord stand and weep between the entry room to the Temple and the altar.”” (Joel 2:12-13, 17 ESV).

Few want a revelation of the terrible truth that in the Church we love our sin more than we love God. Not gross sins like sexual immorality, gluttony, substance abuse, love of money etc. But that we love our families, our leisure, music, comfort and ministry more than we love God. It is a struggle to die to things to which we are deeply attached; we hate them being put to death, it feels like a part of us is being crucified and that something of our essential identity is being lost.

Since this path is too hard to walk alone only a dedicated band will see revival; “Then those who feared the Lord spoke with one another. The Lord paid attention and heard them” (Mal 3:16 ESV). The remnant grasps the heartfelt longing of the Lord is to share the healing pain of Christ’s cross with us for the salvation of many (Phil 3:10 ESV; Col 1:24 ESV).


There is no shortage of Great and Precious Promises” 

There is no shortage of “great and precious promises” (2 Pet 1:4 ESV) in scripture to assurance us of divine visitation.  “He who conceals his sins does not prosper, but whoever confesses and renounces them finds mercy.” (Proverbs 28:13 ESV); “if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land” (2 Chron 7:14 ESV). This land cannot be healed from its escalating transgressions until the Church first experiences forgiveness for its sins. We ignore this order at our peril.

Who today is hearing Jesus words in the Spirit, ““I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first.”” (Rev 2:4 ESV). The words of a love sick God apply to the Church to which we belong today. “Leave Israel alone, because she is married to idolatry…. O Israel, stay away from idols! I am the one who answers your prayers and cares for you. I am like a tree that is always green; all your fruit comes from me.” (Hos 4:17 ESV; Hos 14:8 ESV).


In a time sparse of holy discipleship and deep fruit, a time of many idols and complacent transgression, God is keeping his distance from his people.

Who amongst us by sharing in “the fellowship of Christ’s sufferings” desires to be brought to a place of confessing the intolerable burden of personal sin (Phil 3:10 ESV)?

When Jesus is allowed to take his rightful place in his Church this will be our confession. His patience with sin is perfect but his tolerance of sin is nil because it kills and destroys everything (2 Thess 1:7-10 ESV; 1 Tim 1:16 ESV). Intolerable evil may be everywhere but the Lord always deal with it first among his people; vs.17 “For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? vs.18 And “If the righteous is scarcely saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”” (1 Pet 4:17-18 ESV). Since the pain of the cross is a beautiful sacrifice in the eyes of the Father the mature in Christ will long to confess, “The burden of our sins is intolerable” (Ps 96:9 ESV). Are we amongst the remnant who will urge one another on in this great matter?


MESSAGE DELIVERED: 28th October, 2017 |  St Mark’s

Author: Dr. John Yates


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